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Just got both my VT Habitat Stamp and my BHA membership for the year. Reasons for posting this:

1. Humblebrag
2. Guilt/shame others into it
3. Start/continue a discussion on how lucky we are to hunt/fish in New England where land access is such a luxury.
4. List some other orgs that are good options.

NWTF is a very good option for conservation even for non-turkey hunters.

 

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I just bought my three year renewal to BHA last month. With some of the promotions on the lifetime memberships (handguns, rifles, pellet smokers, etc) I've been tempted to go that route but haven't committed the coin as of yet. I always buy the VTFW habitat stamp, and last year I ended up buying additional stamps when I added tags on, just sacrificed the beer selection that week down to something cheaper. I figured the cause was worth it.

I am a member of the VT Bearhound Association, even though I don't have bearhounds. They are the only voice for anyone with pursuit hounds so as a hare hunter they are my voice on issues. I am a member of the NH Forest Society which advocates for working forests and also works to conserve tracts of land. I was a member of the VT Hunters, Anglers & Trappers Association but that seems to have gone dormant. I'll admit I am a paying member of these groups, but I need to be more of an active member. Once I get the house wrapped up that is my plan.
 

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I see the New England Chapter of BHA on Facebook. In my opinion, the folks that seem to be posting the most are a bunch of Trump hating liberal whinebags.
 

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I always feel good about conservation when I buy licenses in a couple states. Time to get my NH and ME tags!
I belong to a number of orgs and feel like they do good work. BHA, Wild Sheep, RMEF, and locally I am involved with VTFW Conservation Group. Not having kids makes it easier to volunteer my time. Thinking about rejoining TU.
Money is nice for these groups, but showing up is even better. Especially if you bring your kids!
 

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I see the New England Chapter of BHA on Facebook. In my opinion, the folks that seem to be posting the most are a bunch of Trump hating liberal whinebags.
That is a bummer- there are a couple of people who post there that are especially partisan and it is no doubt aggravating. At least one is a former member here who got booted because he can't stop.

I can tell you that the BHA I work with is non-partisan and the focus is on wild lands and wildlife, access and opportunity.
 

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Is there a VT chapter of BHA or is it part of the NE chapter? I just looked at the NE chapter FB page and I can see exactly what Escout is talking about. That’s an easy pass.
 

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Is there a VT chapter of BHA or is it part of the NE chapter? I just looked at the NE chapter FB page and I can see exactly what Escout is talking about. That’s an easy pass.
VT is part of the New England Chapter, but we have a state team. As with most things, FB is not reality.
I would say with some confidence that none of the chapter leadership posts things about partisan politics.
 

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I just bought my three year renewal to BHA last month. With some of the promotions on the lifetime memberships (handguns, rifles, pellet smokers, etc) I've been tempted to go that route but haven't committed the coin as of yet. I always buy the VTFW habitat stamp, and last year I ended up buying additional stamps when I added tags on, just sacrificed the beer selection that week down to something cheaper. I figured the cause was worth it.

I am a member of the VT Bearhound Association, even though I don't have bearhounds. They are the only voice for anyone with pursuit hounds so as a hare hunter they are my voice on issues. I am a member of the NH Forest Society which advocates for working forests and also works to conserve tracts of land. I was a member of the VT Hunters, Anglers & Trappers Association but that seems to have gone dormant. I'll admit I am a paying member of these groups, but I need to be more of an active member. Once I get the house wrapped up that is my plan.
NH Forest Society has been a critic of certain aspects of wildlife management in NH.

A former Forest Society employee is in tight with a group attempting to shake the NHF&G commission up to include a wider array of NH citizens. The same group is after various forms of predator take methods and opposes bear baiting and hound hunting.

The term conservation seems to have a number of definitions amongst various belief groups in the US and there is nearly a nationwide push to revamp the way wildlife management occurs. A good number of people appear to want nature to takes its course with no human interference despite our presence on earth being a huge interference for wildlife.

Despite humans being part of nature they see humans as separated from nature. Social Media seems to have a very effective platform to spread misinformation on the subject and is very influential on persons disconnected from nature.

The best thing sports people can do is stay professionally involved and vocal within these groups.
 

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I just signed up with an auto-renewing membership with BHA. I think they are a great organization and I hope to get more involved with them.

I also support the Sportsmen's Land Trust through the purchase of their vanity license plate in MA.

Also a member of NWTF and DU.

And I typically buy hunting licenses in 3 or 4 states every year.

I am a big proponent of land and wildlife conservation.
 

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That is a bummer- there are a couple of people who post there that are especially partisan and it is no doubt aggravating. At least one is a former member here who got booted because he can't stop.

I can tell you that the BHA I work with is non-partisan and the focus is on wild lands and wildlife, access and opportunity.
Hmmmm...... I'll guess it's "HunterDan"?

ironically I was given a complimentary membership by Dan 4 or 5 years ago. With that came the invite to serve on the NH board, or become an "active member". I spent some time reading what the president of the chapter was saying and realized I didn't really fit in with their ideology on many fronts.

Thank you to all those who volunteer , fund or do both for all the outdoor organizations. It doesn't go unnoticed by me. With that being said.... I just don't have the ability to be around those shit shows any longer. I'll vote, I'll support and fund , but have zero desire to be any sort of "voice". Nobody wants to listen regardless of how logical , factual or thought out someones words are any longer on most subjects.
 
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never heard of that. but this seems interesting. subscribed
 

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I was pretty disappointed in the response I received from the New England BHA when I approached them about joining a coalition of sportsman's and conservation groups we were forming to fight road closure in thousands of acres of DCR property in Central Massachusetts. Their response was along the lines of "Closed access roads are one of the tenets of our mission. We cannot support the coalition in asking to reopen them at this time."

I was considering joining but that response completely turned me off. They are in favor of closing off access to thousands of acres of state land to thousands of recreation-seekers (not just hunters). I cannot support that.
 

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I was pretty disappointed in the response I received from the New England BHA when I approached them about joining a coalition of sportsman's and conservation groups we were forming to fight road closure in thousands of acres of DCR property in Central Massachusetts. Their response was along the lines of "Closed access roads are one of the tenets of our mission. We cannot support the coalition in asking to reopen them at this time."

I was considering joining but that response completely turned me off. They are in favor of closing off access to thousands of acres of state land to thousands of recreation-seekers (not just hunters). I cannot support that.
Sorry to hear that you feel that way Keith - NWTF is a great organization and partner.
I know that the discussions I've been involved in on these sorts of topics, there is an effort to try to differentiate hunting access (ability to go hunt somewhere) from road access (ability to drive somewhere). As land gets tighter, less road access usually means higher quality 'backcountry' hunting access that is more and more rare in New England. Obviously, that isn't for everyone, nor should it be everywhere.
 

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Sorry to hear that you feel that way Keith - NWTF is a great organization and partner.
I know that the discussions I've been involved in on these sorts of topics, there is an effort to try to differentiate hunting access (ability to go hunt somewhere) from road access (ability to drive somewhere). As land gets tighter, less road access usually means higher quality 'backcountry' hunting access that is more and more rare in New England. Obviously, that isn't for everyone, nor should it be everywhere.

Yeah, this is definitely not "backcountry" and would effectively eliminate access for fishing, hunting, kayaking, birding, etc to anyone not able to walk miles into this area that has been open to driving for decades, with the exception of mud season. It is connected to a state park and another recreation area, so would never be considered "remote".
Pheasant and trout are stocked there so access is key.
Without accessible roads, Mass Wildlife would not continue stocking activities in an area that denies access.
Seniors, the handicapped, etc would be especially shut out.
That's ok. We're taking the fight to DCR without their help. I just expected more from an organization I considered a partner.
 

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Yeah, this is definitely not "backcountry" and would effectively eliminate access for fishing, hunting, kayaking, birding, etc to anyone not able to walk miles into this area that has been open to driving for decades, with the exception of mud season. It is connected to a state park and another recreation area, so would never be considered "remote".
Pheasant and trout are stocked there so access is key.
Without accessible roads, Mass Wildlife would not continue stocking activities in an area that denies access.
Seniors, the handicapped, etc would be especially shut out.
That's ok. We're taking the fight to DCR without their help. I just expected more from an organization I considered a partner.

good luck. I'm in a battle with the state right now over a piece of state forrest that is now being gated because the local private school has talked to the state claiming they've had "issues". Their issue Is there are a couple kids in town who run bear dogs and have been asked not to do it on the 2k acres this school owns. They continued to ignore the request due to "it's not posted" and "we can't control where the bear goes when we let our dogs loose". Right..... but you can control where you let the dogs go and not on someones land that has asked you not to. So now the school is going to oblige them and post the entire area and in the mean time talked the state into gating off about a half mile of road that leads to a log landing where parking was always plentiful.

With the gate in the area they are talking about putting it, there's room for one vehicle and you have to turn around in one of 3 different driveways. That's probably not going to raise a shit show?! Oh.... and if it snows? Where I'll be parking is exactly where the town plows the snow bank. Also, in order to park there a rule that is preached in hunter ed (never block a gate or access) will now have to be broken. Pretty smart by all parties involved.

I called NHF&G about it on 4/18. I haven't heard a thing back from anyone. Go figure.......
 

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good luck. I'm in a battle with the state right now over a piece of state forrest that is now being gated because the local private school has talked to the state claiming they've had "issues". Their issue Is there are a couple kids in town who run bear dogs and have been asked not to do it on the 2k acres this school owns. They continued to ignore the request due to "it's not posted" and "we can't control where the bear goes when we let our dogs loose". Right..... but you can control where you let the dogs go and not on someones land that has asked you not to. So now the school is going to oblige them and post the entire area and in the mean time talked the state into gating off about a half mile of road that leads to a log landing where parking was always plentiful.

With the gate in the area they are talking about putting it, there's room for one vehicle and you have to turn around in one of 3 different driveways. That's probably not going to raise a shit show?! Oh.... and if it snows? Where I'll be parking is exactly where the town plows the snow bank. Also, in order to park there a rule that is preached in hunter ed (never block a gate or access) will now have to be broken. Pretty smart by all parties involved.

I called NHF&G about it on 4/18. I haven't heard a thing back from anyone. Go figure.......
We are lucky in that we have the backing of our F&G Dept, Our State Senator and the Boards of Selectman in the affected towns. DCR in Mass is the Dept of Conservation & Recreation and they are separate from our F&G Dept (but still a state agency). So we have some heavy hitters on our side anyway, including most of the NGOs, numerous sportsmen's organizations in the area and even special interest groups like horseback riding groups, mountain bikers, etc.
Just hoping we can put enough political pressure on them.
Of course this has all been on a giant delay since March...
 
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