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That really suks. Will probably be the same here. This was my son's big year to show off for the colleges. (junior). He missed last year due to an injury. At least he got some good video last fall for football and we have a couple of colleges interested so far.
I was just talking to a couple high school juniors here that are feeling the same way. This was their chance to get some college attention. I don't know much about the football side, but with baseball there are a lot of different recruiting methods for coaches/recruiters now that are really helping, as long as you have video and objective data. It must be exciting for him to be getting some interest.
 

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I was just talking to a couple high school juniors here that are feeling the same way. This was their chance to get some college attention. I don't know much about the football side, but with baseball there are a lot of different recruiting methods for coaches/recruiters now that are really helping, as long as you have video and objective data. It must be exciting for him to be getting some interest.
Yes it’s pretty exciting. He goes to a small high school. So we’re getting some attention from division two and three schools, Hoping to get some help with scholarships and tuition costs.
 

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just read this thread again........ What a fucking shit show we are in. A death rate of .0334% is destroying our nation??!! I can assure you my feelings of this mess have changed.

That rat Fauci wouldn't answer the simplest question about protesters spreading the disease. I'm not sure what the end result is "suppose" to look like.

Can you imagine what we are going to look like in Nov. if Trump wins again? I don't mean politically, I mean what the nuts who are burning down cities and the mayors allowing it to continue now are going to be acting like.
 
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Good read.
I talked to a man today

I talked with a man today, an 80+ year old man.

I asked him if there was anything I can get him while this Coronavirus scare was gripping America.

He simply smiled, looked away and said:

"Let me tell you what I need! I need to believe, at some point, this country my generation fought for... I need to believe this nation we handed safely to our children and their children...
I need to know this generation will quit being a bunch of sissies...that they respect what they've been given...that they've earned what others sacrificed for."
I wasn't sure where the conversation was going or if it was going anywhere at all. So, I sat there, quietly observing.
"You know, I was a little boy during WWII. Those were scary days. We didn't know if we were going to be speaking English, German or Japanese at the end of the war. There was no certainty, no guarantees like Americans enjoy today.

And no home went without sacrifice or loss. Every house, up and down every street, had someone in harm's way. Maybe their Daddy was a soldier, maybe their son was a sailor, maybe it was an uncle. Sometimes it was the whole damn family...fathers, sons, uncles...
Having someone, you love, sent off to war...it wasn't less frightening than it is today. It was scary as Hell. If anything, it was more frightening. We didn't have battle front news. We didn't have email or cellphones. You sent them away and you hoped...you prayed. You may not hear from them for months, if ever. Sometimes a mother was getting her son's letters the same day Dad was comforting her over their child's death.
And we sacrificed. You couldn't buy things. Everything was rationed. You were only allowed so much milk per month, only so much bread, toilet paper. EVERYTHING was restricted for the war effort. And what you weren't using, what you didn't need, things you threw away, they were saved and sorted for the war effort. My generation was the original recycling movement in America.

And we had viruses back then...serious viruses. Things like polio, measles, and such. It was nothing to walk to school and pass a house or two that was quarantined. We didn't shut down our schools. We didn't shut down our cities. We carried on, without masks, without hand sanitizer. And do you know what? We persevered. We overcame. We didn't attack our President, we came together. We rallied around the flag for the war. Thick or thin, we were in it to win. And we would lose more boys in an hour of combat than we lose in entire wars today."

He slowly looked away again. Maybe I saw a small tear in the corner of his eye. Then he continued:

"Today's kids don't know sacrifice. They think a sacrifice is not having coverage on their phone while they freely drive across the country. Today's kids are selfish and spoiled. In my generation, we looked out for our elders. We helped out with single moms who's husbands were either at war or dead from war. Today's kids rush the store, buying everything they can...no concern for anyone but themselves. It's shameful the way Americans behave these days. None of them deserve the sacrifices their granddads made.
So, no I don't need anything. I appreciate your offer but, I know I've been through worse things than this virus. But maybe I should be asking you, what can I do to help you? Do you have enough pop to get through this, enough steak? Will you be able to survive with 113 channels on your tv?"
I smiled, fighting back a tear of my own...now humbled by a man in his 80's. All I could do was thank him for the history lesson, leave my number for emergency and leave with my ego firmly tucked in my rear.
I talked to a man today. A real man. An American man from an era long gone and forgotten. We will never understand the sacrifices. We will never fully earn their sacrifices. But we should work harder to learn about them..learn from them...to respect them.
 

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just read this thread again........ What a fucking shit show we are in. A death rate of .0334% is destroying our nation??!! I can assure you my feelings of this mess have changed.

That rat Fauci wouldn't answer the simplest question about protesters spreading the disease. I'm not sure what the end result is "suppose" to look like.

Can you imagine what we are going to look like in Nov. if Trump wins again? I don't mean politically, I mean what the nuts who are burning down cities and the mayors allowing it to continue now are going to be acting like.
NH Hunter - Would your view change if the death rate were closer to 5%? I am not arguing with you but my math (158k deaths/4.8m cases). Your numbers are off I believe. The US death rate to date (not counting those that will die of the existing cases) is already at 3.5% not .035%, and that number based on existing cases can only go up. In addition the virus is almost 8% here in the NY area and was closer to 10% for some time. These rates are far in excess of the flu which has the rates you mentioned. I know close to 100 people that have had this virus, 9 have passed, and many young healthy people were really sick for a month or more. On a positive note the numbers that are skyrocketing in CA, TX, FLA, AZ are showing much lower death rates. I don't know if they have figured out better treatments, the warmer climates make a difference or if they are seeing different strains, but it is comforting to see.

I, like you, hate how a virus has become politicized, as does everything nowadays. I don't have all the answers but will certainly be careful, protect those I can, help those less fortunate and hope the scientists can figure out a vaccine and some therapeutics soon.
 

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Less than 1.5% of the population has gotten this virus. Then when you factor that in, the death rate becomes .035% When you factor in all the deaths they attributed to the virus that were primarily from other causes it is even less. When you factor in that most of the deaths are senior citizens in convalescence homes that were already taking their last breaths waiting on the straw to break the camel's back it is even less.

The handling of this is an absolute shit show. You can wear a mask to be safe in home depot or the grocery store but not in a small business. You are safe without a mask sitting at your table or at the beach but walking in either you need a mask. You can stand in line at Home depot with a mask and be safe but you cannot stand in line to vote with a mask because it is unsafe.

Scamdemic
 

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My daughter-in-law's cousin was born with severe birth defects and a wide range of health issues. She suffered for many years. Sadly she passed away this year. Guess what? She "tested positive" for covid.

My aunt was 90 years old and had a number of health issues. She has been sick for years. She passed away this year also. Amazingly she also tested "positive."

I'm pissed off that their deaths have been diminished by the medical profession. COVID my ass.
 

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NH Hunter - Would your view change if the death rate were closer to 5%? I am not arguing with you but my math (158k deaths/4.8m cases).
Your number of cases are off. That’s the number of cases we know of. I think a very sizable portion of the United States has probably had it. Most never had any symptoms. Some people probably had it numerous times also.
 

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Less than 1.5% of the population has gotten this virus.
You think so? I think it could be more like 50 or 75% of the population has gotten it. We’ve only tested a very small portion of the population and it seems like the more we test people the more cases we are finding. And some people have had it more than once.

And I agree that’s why it is a scam virus. Quarantine the sick, elderly, compromised, take precautions but don’t shut anything down.
 

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You think so? I think it could be more like 50 or 75% of the population has gotten it. We’ve only tested a very small portion of the population and it seems like the more we test people the more cases we are finding. And some people have had it more than once.

And I agree that’s why it is a scam virus. Quarantine the sick, elderly, compromised, take precautions but don’t shut anything down.

1.5% is the official numbers. I agree with you that many more have probably had it If that is true it drives the death rate far far lower.
 

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We are going to look like a 3rd world country by thanksgiving. Neither side will accept a "loss" in the election. if we are allowing the bullshit in our streets now, imagine how much worse it's going to get.

I will say this...... those "protesting" are jobless, self absorbed, spoiled rotten, participation trophy millennials. They want to be careful what they ask for. If the majority of the country that was minding their own business doesn't have work in the way, splitting their skulls open for them and hopefully knocking some sense into them will be an available option. At the rate we are going , those who just wanted to be left alone will have plenty of spare time on their hands, and a shit load of anger and frustration to take out on those responsible .
 

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NH Hunter - Would your view change if the death rate were closer to 5%? I am not arguing with you but my math (158k deaths/4.8m cases). Your numbers are off I believe. The US death rate to date (not counting those that will die of the existing cases) is already at 3.5% not .035%, and that number based on existing cases can only go up. In addition the virus is almost 8% here in the NY area and was closer to 10% for some time. These rates are far in excess of the flu which has the rates you mentioned. I know close to 100 people that have had this virus, 9 have passed, and many young healthy people were really sick for a month or more. On a positive note the numbers that are skyrocketing in CA, TX, FLA, AZ are showing much lower death rates. I don't know if they have figured out better treatments, the warmer climates make a difference or if they are seeing different strains, but it is comforting to see.

I, like you, hate how a virus has become politicized, as does everything nowadays. I don't have all the answers but will certainly be careful, protect those I can, help those less fortunate and hope the scientists can figure out a vaccine and some therapeutics soon.

Are you using the revised numbers or the originals? Wasn't it NY that already came out saying they were attaching Covid to death certificates without a test? There's a doctor in Minn. that is being investigated for publishing the truth about how "probable" wasn't allowed on death certificates. It was to be ruled "covid". The 154k is a cooked number. We were told not to wear masks. We were told it could live on surfaces for days, what about staged hospitals with zero beds...... the hypocrisy grows on. We originally were trying to "flatten the curve", I was on board with that. What's really taking place is the flattening of the greatest nation on this rock.

Why so many lies and changes if it's true?
 

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Why wouldn't Fauci answer the question??!! I can't sit in a barber shop while my son gets a haircut based off his recommendations. He had zero issue weighing in on schools opening or closing.
 

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Here is what seems to be happening in my area, which is close to Dartmouth College and Dartmouth Hitchcock Medical center. A friend of mine who ran a real estate business and still has his fingers in what is going on, sold real estate at a second home development called Quechee Lakes for over 25 years. He said at any given time there were about 60 condos for sale out of around 600 or 10%. When I talked to him a few weeks ago there were only 4 for sale and he said they would be sold within the week. The same with many hundreds of homes in the development. People are buying them sight unseen and paying cash, so most all the things that take time to process required by banks are eliminated. Homes closer to me that have been on the market for many months, sometimes years are being bought. The usual back and forth on offers to get a property at less than asking price are by the wayside, as there are usually several buyers lined up waiting for people to back out. From what I have heard and read about 80 % of these sales are to people from out of state, NYC, Boston and other cities in both states and other states also. They are leaving in droves looking for a place to escape to, now that they realize they can work from where they live in a lot of cases. The real estate brokers say the first question asked is usually, "Is there high speed internet at the home." There seems to be no end in sight as far as willing buyers and inventory is at record lows.

As far as Covid-19 I can't say that I know anyone who has had it. Lots of people have hunkered down and are staying pretty much at home. Most everyone wears a mask when in stores or other public buildings. Vermont has the lowest infection rate per capita in the US I believe and I hope it stays that way with one death in the last 50 odd days I think. All that could change in a hurry I suppose. I think there are only about 650,000 people in the state.

With all the rioting, looting, burning buildings, destroying property, crime and other stuff I don't think that many business's in the big cities are going to rebuild. Why would they? They will move to safer areas and the cities they leave will become sh##holes like Chicago and Detroit with no jobs. It looks like NYC is headed in that direction fast. I feel bad for the decent people who live in these areas who have worked their whole lives for what they have and have no way out or no place to go. And now the dumbasses who run the cities ( even little Burlington VT ) want to cut the number of police and defund a lot of their programs like training and use social workers instead in some cases. How is that going to work out when a 120 lb women goes to talk down a 6' 240 lb man on meth or drunk waving a gun or knife around? The town I live in (about 2500) recently went to a town manager form of government to take pressure off the 5 selectman. The town manager brought forth a proposal to cut the 2 patrol officers hours in town from 42 to 32 hours a week. This after people at town meeting voted to hire a 3rd officer a couple months earlier. He was against hiring another officer. There was some sort of confrontation with the select board, town manager and police chief when the select board went into executive session and they suspended him with pay. The town manager said the state would be involved and the investigation would take 6 weeks. The select board said that what happened was nothing criminal, what ever that means. They called it insubordination. The people in town put up such a stink that they reinstated him in 4 days. There was a rally that I attended with about 85 others in support of him in front of the town offices. This tells me that whatever happened was insignificant and it appears that the town manager and select board have backed off. The police in town do not go around harassing people and if you don't break the law you have nothing to worry about. They are good at catching thieves and druggies and are constantly patrolling and making their presence know. They spend a lot of time at the local schools and there is always someone on duty and nearby when schools are open which brings some comfort to a lot of parents in town. This police chief is one in a million (28 years of service) and it would have been a tragedy to lose him . I'm glad I live where I do and would not want to be in a city if Trump wins the election ( which I think he will.) I can imagine the amount of riots and destruction that will follow, especially with all the police that are quitting or retiring and won't be there to stop it if they are allowed to.

This is a little long winded but it has been raining all day, storm supposed to hit in 3 or 4 hours and I am still not supposed to lift over 10 lbs for a while, so I have plenty of time on my hands.
 

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Here is what seems to be happening in my area, which is close to Dartmouth College and Dartmouth Hitchcock Medical center. A friend of mine who ran a real estate business and still has his fingers in what is going on, sold real estate at a second home development called Quechee Lakes for over 25 years. He said at any given time there were about 60 condos for sale out of around 600 or 10%. When I talked to him a few weeks ago there were only 4 for sale and he said they would be sold within the week. The same with many hundreds of homes in the development. People are buying them sight unseen and paying cash, so most all the things that take time to process required by banks are eliminated. Homes closer to me that have been on the market for many months, sometimes years are being bought. The usual back and forth on offers to get a property at less than asking price are by the wayside, as there are usually several buyers lined up waiting for people to back out. From what I have heard and read about 80 % of these sales are to people from out of state, NYC, Boston and other cities in both states and other states also. They are leaving in droves looking for a place to escape to, now that they realize they can work from where they live in a lot of cases. The real estate brokers say the first question asked is usually, "Is there high speed internet at the home." There seems to be no end in sight as far as willing buyers and inventory is at record lows.

As far as Covid-19 I can't say that I know anyone who has had it. Lots of people have hunkered down and are staying pretty much at home. Most everyone wears a mask when in stores or other public buildings. Vermont has the lowest infection rate per capita in the US I believe and I hope it stays that way with one death in the last 50 odd days I think. All that could change in a hurry I suppose. I think there are only about 650,000 people in the state.

With all the rioting, looting, burning buildings, destroying property, crime and other stuff I don't think that many business's in the big cities are going to rebuild. Why would they? They will move to safer areas and the cities they leave will become sh##holes like Chicago and Detroit with no jobs. It looks like NYC is headed in that direction fast. I feel bad for the decent people who live in these areas who have worked their whole lives for what they have and have no way out or no place to go. And now the dumbasses who run the cities ( even little Burlington VT ) want to cut the number of police and defund a lot of their programs like training and use social workers instead in some cases. How is that going to work out when a 120 lb women goes to talk down a 6' 240 lb man on meth or drunk waving a gun or knife around? The town I live in (about 2500) recently went to a town manager form of government to take pressure off the 5 selectman. The town manager brought forth a proposal to cut the 2 patrol officers hours in town from 42 to 32 hours a week. This after people at town meeting voted to hire a 3rd officer a couple months earlier. He was against hiring another officer. There was some sort of confrontation with the select board, town manager and police chief when the select board went into executive session and they suspended him with pay. The town manager said the state would be involved and the investigation would take 6 weeks. The select board said that what happened was nothing criminal, what ever that means. They called it insubordination. The people in town put up such a stink that they reinstated him in 4 days. There was a rally that I attended with about 85 others in support of him in front of the town offices. This tells me that whatever happened was insignificant and it appears that the town manager and select board have backed off. The police in town do not go around harassing people and if you don't break the law you have nothing to worry about. They are good at catching thieves and druggies and are constantly patrolling and making their presence know. They spend a lot of time at the local schools and there is always someone on duty and nearby when schools are open which brings some comfort to a lot of parents in town. This police chief is one in a million (28 years of service) and it would have been a tragedy to lose him . I'm glad I live where I do and would not want to be in a city if Trump wins the election ( which I think he will.) I can imagine the amount of riots and destruction that will follow, especially with all the police that are quitting or retiring and won't be there to stop it if they are allowed to.

This is a little long winded but it has been raining all day, storm supposed to hit in 3 or 4 hours and I am still not supposed to lift over 10 lbs for a while, so I have plenty of time on my hands.
Sounds like you are going to have a lot of new neighbors up there Ted!😲 Hope the hernia is healing up well!
 

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Here is what seems to be happening in my area, which is close to Dartmouth College and Dartmouth Hitchcock Medical center. A friend of mine who ran a real estate business and still has his fingers in what is going on, sold real estate at a second home development called Quechee Lakes for over 25 years. He said at any given time there were about 60 condos for sale out of around 600 or 10%. When I talked to him a few weeks ago there were only 4 for sale and he said they would be sold within the week. The same with many hundreds of homes in the development. People are buying them sight unseen and paying cash, so most all the things that take time to process required by banks are eliminated. Homes closer to me that have been on the market for many months, sometimes years are being bought. The usual back and forth on offers to get a property at less than asking price are by the wayside, as there are usually several buyers lined up waiting for people to back out. From what I have heard and read about 80 % of these sales are to people from out of state, NYC, Boston and other cities in both states and other states also. They are leaving in droves looking for a place to escape to, now that they realize they can work from where they live in a lot of cases. The real estate brokers say the first question asked is usually, "Is there high speed internet at the home." There seems to be no end in sight as far as willing buyers and inventory is at record lows.
Same thing in our neck of the woods (northwest vermont). Houses are on the market for 2-3 days with multiple over asking price offers. We even had a random call from a realtor asking if we'd like to sell our house. I thought she was fishing for a new house to put on the market, turns out she had someone from out of town that came up for a weekend and drove back roads writting down addresses of houses they'd be interested in buying . . . . There has been several houses in my town sold and now its all mass, new york, new jersey, and conn. plates sitting in those drive ways. Makes me wonder with the influx of "city folk" coming into these small vermont towns how these small towns will look in 5-10 years.
 




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